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Chatty Kathy's

How about a thread of general chatting? Maybe we can post things about ourselves to get to know each other better, or just post chatty stuff. So anyway, here are a few things about me:
My name is Kathleen.
I am in my late 30's.
I am 5 foot 2 inches.
I have dark brown curly hair that is to the middle of my back.
I like to read and write and play Dungeon Siege.
I like to post in forums.
My favorite pizza is mushroom

So...tell me about you? Smile

BTW, this is the "real" Chatty Cathy

Why is not always clear or given. You can not accurately measure it. It is subjective rather than finite. Example: Why did we invade Iraq? Was it a good or bad thing? You also have to take into account achievements are also a group effort. What if half the group had good intentions and the other half had bad intentions? For an individual achievement what if elements of that achievement were stolen for a good cause?

War increases technology. I consider WWII a good event. Our computer and many other technologies would not be where they are without that war. That war brought nations together with a common goal and achieved a lot. I don't like war or violence either, but that is the bright siide of it.

Loup_Ombrage wrote:
Why someone did something is always a good measure, for example, someone donating a huge some of money just for recognition or fame, as opposed to someone donating any amount because they believe in the cause,

How can you measure that? Is the factor the person does not feel good when donating ruled out? Is doing something to make people happy better or worse than believing what they do? Perhaps fame and recognition is a bonus. Who is to measure their intentions are worse than somone donating that believes in the cause? What if they believe in the cause but donate money for selfish reasons? How do we know they believe/don't believe in the cause?

Wyvante wrote:

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Yup, very impressive to me. I guess I'm not moral to you guys.

Wyvante, you misunderstood what I meant. I wasn't trying to say that about you at all. I agree that many achievements such as what was mentioned can be quite impressive. The planning, logistics ect..can be very great indeed. In my opinion, intelligence in and of itself is neither good nor evil, the character of the person possesing the intelligence is the determining factor in the way the intelligence is applied. I tend to think intelligence is seperate from morality in that way.

I think I have mentioned before (can't remember where,though) that I cannot claim to know anybody that I meet online well, but I get a definite "feel" for a person based on the things they communicate either via a forum, email, or chatroom. I remember events from a few months ago, and also recent ones involving you and ones involving me (Yup, I am still talking to you, Wyvante) and not once has it crossed my mind that you were not a moral person.Even though I may or may not agree with every statement you make, I still think you are a nice guy! Smile

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Hitler's greatest "achievement" was in being the figurehead of an effort to brainwash a nation (using tried and true psychological manipulation methods). The rest is the result of puppetmasters (including Hitler) pulling on strings... which I do not find overly impressive, and his apparent values disgust me.

The innovations that come out of wars can indeed be impressive... necessity is the mother of all invention. Even nuclear bomb technology can be said to have been a positive thing so far... including the events of Hiroshima and Nagaski too (as regretable as they were). Consider how the Cold War ended without massive loss of life. Does anyone think that could have happened without the threat of "mutual assured destruction"?

Wyvante wrote:
Umm, I measure character and achievements separately.

OK... I see. I measure character and ability (including "intelligence")... since I believe achievement is a product of these (and other) factors.

Wyvante wrote:
You also have to take into account achievements are also a group effort.

I have to disagree with this point... and strongly. There is no such thing as "group effort" or collective achievement... only collections of individual efforts and collections of individual achievement. Leadership / management is a skill set that can co-ordinate the efforts and abilities of individuals in the pursuit of larger goals, hence creating the illusion of group accomplishments but the concept of "team" cannot be separated from the merits of individual team members' abilities and efforts. Playing a role on a team does not rob you of your individual achievements while on the team, nor does it entitle you to credit for the achievements of other team members... To be clear though, I do believe that teams can accomplish more than random groups of individuals... that is the value of good leadership / management.

Wyvern wrote:
Why is not always clear or given. You can not accurately measure it. It is subjective rather than finite.

Absolutely true... I never said measuring character was easy or objective. Comparing someone's values (if I can find them out...) with my own is what I find to be interesting. "Better" and "worse" are indeed subjective value judgements... I believe all values are subjective.

kathycf wrote:
Wyvante wrote:
Wyvante, you misunderstood what I meant. I wasn't trying to say that about you at all. I agree that many achievements such as what was mentioned can be quite impressive. The planning, logistics ect..can be very great indeed. In my opinion, intelligence in and of itself is neither good nor evil, the character of the person possesing the intelligence is the determining factor in the way the intelligence is applied. I tend to think intelligence is seperate from morality in that way.

Meant to edit that out but forgot. I had/still have a migraine and misread some things.

Sharkull wrote:
I have to disagree with this point... and strongly. There is no such thing as "group effort" or collective achievement... only collections of individual efforts and collections of individual achievement. Leadership / management is a skill set that can co-ordinate the efforts and abilities of individuals in the pursuit of larger goals, hence creating the illusion of group accomplishments but the concept of "team" cannot be separated from the merits of individual team members' abilities and efforts. Playing a role on a team does not rob you of your individual achievements while on the team, nor does it entitle you to credit for the achievements of other team members... To be clear though, I do believe that teams can accomplish more than random groups of individuals... that is the value of good leadership / management.

I disagree completely. Sending a man on the moon was one person's achievement? If you think so then who?

Wyvante wrote:

Meant to edit that out but forgot. I had/still have a migraine and misread some things.

Oh, ok. I get migraines too. Not fun.

blondin's ghost (/me casts a Revive spell on thee...) mentioned on the prior page that Xaa used Waterhouse's " Lady of Shallot" in Mageworld. blondin, I was wondering which version you were referring to:




The third is my favorite, it is my current "wallpaper".

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Wyvante wrote:
I disagree completely. Sending a man on the moon was one person's achievement? If you think so then who?

Did you actually read what I wrote? Sending a man to the moon was a team's realized goal, and each member of the team holds claim over their contribution to the project. Generally speaking I will go so far as to say that sending a man to the moon has a human accomplishment, but that's the only generalization I'm willing to make. Without historical advancements in language, math, science, engineering, metallurgy, rocket technology... such a thing could not be done. To give credit to a group of people would (IMO) be an injustice unless each individual who helped build the store of human knowledge, (and helped pass that information along...) was included in the group (which is not what I think you're implying here). Could the American scientists, engineers... (et al) have put a man on the moon if they were all born in the 1700's? No. The prerequisite technological advancements and industries had not be made yet, and a large part of what the the team learned in school was not known by any human being at that time... Clearly you can see that the achievement was not entirely theirs. Did the NASA team do something that had not been done before (or since)? Yes... but I'd only give credit to each individual for their (remarkable / mundane) contributions to the project.

I hope that clears things up... I don't know how many other ways I can say the same thing. Teams are just organized groups of individuals... and individuals actually do things. Can you name something that a group has accomplished that was not composed of the results of individual productivity?

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We all contribute to the human's vast database of knowledge.

Templarian Arch Sorcerer wrote:
We all contribute to the human's vast database of knowledge.

I think that knowledge is cumulative and yes, people do contribute even if it is only in the smalest way. The database is a good analogy. On a personal note, the more I learn, the more I realize what else I need to learn. Knowledge builds on knowledge.

you have good taste..
-it is the third one..
I have gazed at the original painting, several times..
it casts a magic spell..

blondin's ghost.. wrote:
you have good taste..
-it is the third one..
I have gazed at the original painting, several times..
it casts a magic spell..

OOooh...The Tate museum in London, right? The only thing I got to do in London was have dinner at a relative's house and ride a bus to the airport :roll: /me is so jealous...

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speaking of artwork, this is sort of what i look like. Cool
(yes, i know that this is someone's avatar, but its the closest thing i can find)

Very spiffy, TAS. Smile

So, someone at the Lit forum I hang around at started a thread about what names. Like, what does your given name mean, how did you choose your screen-name, stuff like that. I have always thought that sort of thing was interesting, so here's mine:

My screen-name is just a variation of my real name:
name . ..... Original Irish form
Kathleen... (fem) Caitlín ....(it means) traditionally associated with Catherine (greek) and the word 'pure'
Connell ... (masc) Conall ...(it means) strong as a wolf
My other middle name means "warrior maiden" So I guess I am a strong, pure warrior. Wink
The "F" is for my last name, which means something too, but I don't know what...

You can put your name in here and find out what google thinks about it: http://www.googlism.com/index.htm

sjr: keke not sure how many are really true but I am pretty sure I am a great metal band. :rimshot:

Googlism for: sjr

sjr is constructed from high strength type 201l stainless steel which is
sjr is constructed with a refined tapered octagonal stainless steel shaft with a tapered flared base and finished using stainless steel shot peening
sjr is not looking for a guitarist
sjr is a great metal band
sjr is about finding more fitness opportunities
sjr is starting a softball team called
sjr is believed to have formed from an ancient intracoastal lagoon system that was isolated from the atlantic ocean when sea level dropped
sjr is a private
sjr is a student
sjr is open to the public
sjr is a canadian entertainment
sjr is a medium sized roman catholic college on the outskirts of wigan set in a 30 acre site amongst pleasant countryside
sjr is providing personnel to the banking
sjr is not unbiased in all this
sjr is a major blow to the 1990s movement
sjr is not abundant
sjr is famous for
sjr is an opportunity to earn an above average income complete with a full benefits
sjr is to
sjr is highly probable
sjr is similar to hjr 54
sjr is similar to sjr 9 from 1995
sjr is the grasslands wetlands area
sjr is dominated by
sjr is less than
sjr is fixed to m db and db
sjr is going to start having their monthly meetings at the hooters' in maple shade
sjr is not required for things which are invisible to the driver
sjr is the house organ of the catholic central union of america
sjr is php driven in such a way that all the content is dynamically added to the page based on the files currently residing on the host server
sjr is produced by genesis rep
sjr is a longshot
sjr is going to start having their monthly meetings at the hooters' in mapleshade
sjr is an independent oil refiner with manufacturing
sjr is back online
sjr is getting too much too handle
sjr is the san francisco bay area resource for women's active wear & accessories
sjr is needed to bring it into compliance with the basin plan criteria
sjr is coming to my town first
sjr is entitled to study support when it is needed
sjr is a hydrodynamic model that simulates mass transport using continuity equation
sjr is still on the air
sjr is an nonempty bounded set
sjr is still looking at a chance to make the states and do well in the catholic schools tournament at the end of the year
sjr is for me
sjr is one of california's primary rivers
sjr is over
sjr is fixed to \gamma 5 db and snr is variedfrom
sjr is approved by the voters
sjr is not recognized by the akc
sjr is inconsistent with the original approval; or;
sjr is opgegaan
sjr is coming to tamanend this year
sjr is proud of our 18 rhodes scholars
sjr is auch net gesichert
sjr is not the tribune
sjr is suffering from serious adverse environmental effects attributable to
sjr is more like eyehategod
sjr is supported by nih grant gm38464
sjr is particulate carbon of biological origin and is important to levels of dissolved oxygen downstream
sjr is reachable from s
sjr is top notch
sjr is concerned with? does sjr

i did the googlism for just sara and it was like 5 pages long so i did first and middle name and this is what i got....

sara michelle is hot
sara michelle is my favorite person in the world
sara michelle is really cool and i love hanging out with her
sara michelle is so good when she plays bad

hey it works for me :angel:

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My name, Vince, means conqueror or victor in latin. My middle name (Clinton) is apparently means "town on a hill". I couldn't find anything for my last name.

The googlism for my name (Vince) was really long, and about half the ones I saw were something to do with wwe/wwf.... No results for my first name with my middle name or last name. There were plenty for Loup and these are the most interesting:
loup is part of a river system called the loups and the basin they occupy covers nearly one
loup is composed of 100 businesses which employ about 2 700 people
loup is firmly in the premier league having hosted many big competitions including the europa cup
loup is reputed to have the best snowmaking in france all in all
loup is the ideal choice for a memorable vacation
loup is high at 1660m and most of the runs back to the village are protected by snow cannons
loup is the perfect citizen of the world
loup is different from anything i have ever seen by the jesuits
loup is a charming medieval village which is really worth a detour
loup is approximately 361
loup is going to have a little sister
loup is a plant for “fruits confits”
loup is not a remarkable experience; in fact pont du loup is one of those blink
loup is not super
loup is brilliant
loup is dé ideale bestemming
loup is worshipped mainly by the few nomad lupins
loup is currently in six cities
loup is the french name for wolf
loup is also a melting pot of art
loup is only 600 meters away
loup is ook een samensmelting van kunst en van menig talentvol artiest die uw verbazende ogen alle voortbrengselen van hun activiteit aanbiedt
loup is a small village 4 kms from st paul de vence
loup is an ok place to go
loup is $6
loup is stunning indeed
loup is ice covered with flat ice which is 12
loup is not just an observer

Here is some of what I got for first and middle, and then just first name. Smile

kathleen connell is making somewhat quieter noises about running for governor
kathleen connell is controller of the state of california
kathleen connell is state controller and not
kathleen connell is state controller and not gray davis
kathleen connell is at it again
kathleen connell is criticizing you for keeping the state’s power
kathleen connell is warning the california legislature that the governor's recently revised budget forecast will require immediate action to
kathleen connell is california state controller
kathleen connell is the associate director
kathleen connell is playing nasty politics even though she's right
kathleen is a poor irish girl who has always longed for a life of wealth and luxury
kathleen is a magna cum laude harvard graduate
kathleen is originally an npc from the fasa published module terror in the skies
kathleen is coming back to long beach island for chowder fest
kathleen is port davey
kathleen is an angel
kathleen is coming back to long beach island for chowder fest posted by msk on august 22
kathleen is not her verbal gaffes
kathleen is not alone in a garden
kathleen is studying for her phd in business
kathleen is the quintessential earth mother caring for all life
kathleen is a member of the society of telecommunications consultants
kathleen is born
kathleen is a member of the national speakers association
kathleen is one nasty sex kitten
kathleen is available to tailor an address for any occasion
kathleen is the recipient of the salt lake chamber of commerce business women's forum achievement award for 1999
kathleen is a creative
kathleen is originally an npc from the fasa published module terror in the skies
kathleen is the principle advisor in europe for formula one motor racing and numerous

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templar is tasked to steal
templar is back
templar is a man dedicated to the living christ
templar is a
templar is very pleased to be continuing the series for lego throughout 2002
templar is a harsh departure from that worn by the templars of the middle ages
templar is the first snow bengal to grace our cattery
templar is in the closing stages of a deal that will bring in $1
templar is a holy warrior that serves the military needs of a specific religion
templar is a man and brother whose trust and love is in god a true templar is a band of brothers in every age
templar is about 6ft 2in tall
templar is a knight from winchester
templar is a black sable from shady hollow ferretry
templar is more than just an executive search firm
templar is the executive search arm of adecco
templar is a part of the york rite of freemasonry
templar is known to work under the following operating systems
templar is not dead but very much asleep
templar is one of the best
templar is a warrior shrouded in mystery
templar is conferred in the order of the temple
templar is a perl object class for generating text
templar is
templar is not compliant with goc pki rules
templar is defined in this article
templar is irradiated
templar is there to psionic storm the drones mining while the archon destroys a mutalisk
templar is successful for its clients not because we have hundreds of highly paid consultants and a widely
templar is founded upon the christian religion and the practice of the christian virtues
templar is taught to use a heavy weapon single handily
templar is immune to fear
templar is by far my favorite
templar is the cryptic masons
templar is associated largely with the catholic church but that is not how the order of the templar began
templar is his first book
templar is built at the gateway and is upgraded at the templar archives
templar is recognised as an order of chivalry by many of the remaining monarchies and constitutional governments of the
templar is an appropriate name for this band
templar is a high
templar is the rousing conclusion of the templar trilogy
templar is a memory game system
templar is full color memory game system
templar is the most comprehensive web site on templarism and knights templar on the internet
templar is a cheap unit that
templar is the hra chapter
templar is wealthy
templar is also currently producing its own video games and other on
templar is a premier developer of electronic content and interactive entertainment
templar is not intended here
templar is outfitted with a back mount with blades pointing in all directions to keep enemies from attacking from behind
templar is a honor to be earned
templar is a master of disguises
templar is a perl module for generating text
templar is presently the largest and most comprehensive web site on the internet devoted to
templar is a knighthood served by very few
templar is a tcp/ip
templar is a christian
templar is given a totem creature
templar is the first edi authentication agent which incorporates rsa encryption technology to provide a secure and reliable solution over open networks
templar is nothing without faith
templar is easy to command
templar is the only thing around
templar is very rugged and holds its own during a fist fight
templar is uncanny
templar is an adventurer
templar is one who has devoted his life to this purpose as a service to his deity
templar is taken down
templar is one i highly recommend to any student of the force who is determined to become a knight
templar is a member of a small yet famed order
templar is that of the necromantic skull of sidon
templar is widely used by the surrounding area as a community centre in addition to its function in education
templar is a jet
templar is trained to pray in full armor
templar is a weapon that can also be used as a tool
templar is a fictional character in a series of books by leslie charteris?
templar is the history of the crusades
templar is extremely dangerous to zerg
templar is a post
templar is intertwined with the wars of independence between scotland and england
templar is the tenth and highest degree of the york rite
templar is set forth in article iii
templar is able to call upon assistance in the form of actual help from his deity

I noticed that a lot of these things actually are about me, such as "templar is immune to fear" and "templar is a warrior shrouded in mystery". I am also a "master of disguise" as they say in the sense that all of my online friends have a different personality that they see in me. 8O

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Works for me... ^_^

Googlism wrote:
kevin donald is a man with courage and sheer willpower to match
kevin donald is hot heheheh lol

I swear I'm not making that up... really.

On a more serious site, I found this for Kevin:

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Anglicized form of the Irish name Caoimhín, derived from the older Irish Coemgen, composed of the Old Irish elements coem "kind, gentle, handsome" and gein "birth". Saint Caoimhin established a monastery in Ireland and is the patron saint of Dublin.

I don't have any Irish blood in me (AFAIK) but I do have Scottish & British ancestors... (I'm a second generation Canadian).

The lady in your avatar is Elizabeth Eleanor Siddal, artist’s muse and model - known as “Lizzie” she was inspirational to many of the Pre-Raphaelites..

I used to live about 3 miles from Kelmscott Manor, where William Morris had his workshops
http://www.fionamountain.com/preraphaelites.html

more general history..
http://www.endicott-studio.com/rdrm/forprb.html

I’ve spent many happy hours here – a very fine museum indeed..
http://www.ashmol.ox.ac.uk/

this is a fascinating artefact from the museum – Alfred’s Jewel..
http://www.ashmol.ox.ac.uk/ash/faqs/q003/q003002.html

my sister donated this find..
http://www.ashmol.ox.ac.uk/PotWeb/PotChron3-02.html

my Dad donated a pre-historic stone axe-head, that he found while working in the fields near Oxford, though it doesn’t appear in the catalogue of artefacts, yet..

- hey, Kathy, did you know about this one?
link

Ooooh nice sweater, blondin. I actually got 2 really pretty sweaters, one from my ex-mother inlaw (they live in Ireland) and one I bought when I was over there.

Here is some info from that site:
Ó Conaill, ‘descendant of Conall’, comes from the personal name Conall, which most likely is derived from “Con”, meaning ‘hound’, and “gal”, meaning ‘valour’.

The maternal family crest!

Sharkull wrote:
I don't have any Irish blood in me (AFAIK) but I do have Scottish & British ancestors... (I'm a second generation Canadian).

Here is a tidbit of info. Did you know this? (Also, I think Kevin is a pretty popular name, my parents were going to name me that if I was a boy... Smile )

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It should be noted that the Scottish Gaels were actually descendants of Gaelic emigrants to Scotland. The word 'Scotus' is Latin for 'Irishman'. Scottish settlers who moved to Ireland (and especially Ulster) may already have been of Gaelic Irish descent.

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kathycf wrote:
Here is a tidbit of info. Did you know this? (Also, I think Kevin is a pretty popular name, my parents were going to name me that if I was a boy... Smile )

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It should be noted that the Scottish Gaels were actually descendants of Gaelic emigrants to Scotland. The word 'Scotus' is Latin for 'Irishman'. Scottish settlers who moved to Ireland (and especially Ulster) may already have been of Gaelic Irish descent.

I'm not much of a history buff, but that is interesting. My father's middle name (Ian) is also Scottish Gaelic... so I guess that could be where my name came from (but I'm pretty sure my mom picked it, and she was part Scottish too).

21st Century Auto Insurance

Has anyone seen the ads for this company on TV? It shows three women driving down the road in a convertible, having a great ol' time. It seems weird that none of them are wearing seatbelts, sort of odd for an auto insurance ad, don't you think? :silly:

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Uh...trying to show what NOT to do, or you lose your insurane?

Wordl's smallest website http://www.guimp.com/ 16 pixels x 16 pixels. :!: Laughing out loud

robot13 wrote:
Wordl's smallest website http://www.guimp.com/ 16 pixels x 16 pixels. :!: Laughing out loud

That is extremely small!! Laughing out loud

kathycf wrote:
21st Century Auto Insurance

Has anyone seen the ads for this company on TV? It shows three women driving down the road in a convertible, having a great ol' time. It seems weird that none of them are wearing seatbelts, sort of odd for an auto insurance ad, don't you think? :silly:

Never heard of that company, maybe it is a regional company. But it is like the Suburu or Volkswagon (whichever one it is) that has people in the car yapping at each other then they have a accident of some sort. I think they are saying how safe their cars are that everyone is allright, blah blah blah. But to me it makes it seem like if you buy this car you are going to have a car accident. And I am not sure about anyone else but if I think a certain car type is likely to have accidents I am not going to buy that kinda car. That and the fact the those car types are too small for me anyway. Most of these "safe" fuel economy cars are not very good, at least not too me, they must have midgets as the target audience as I cant really fit in to them so well. I rememeber when I was buying my first car they guy at one car lot was pimping this VW but when I tried to sit in the drivers seat my one leg was jammed up against the dash and my other one was actually squeezed up against the steering wheel.

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I'm kind of envious of the money saved by people who build their own computers from parts, but it's just not my thing... The time and effort to properly research component architecture / specs / compatibility, shopping, building, installing... is simply more than I'm willing to put into a system. It would be a chore to me, not fun and I don't mind spending a few extra $'s for the service of a large vendor to do all that stuff for me (plus the security of support / warranty...). Sure, I research the options to make sure I get a system I like, and that it will be useful for a long time afterwards, but that's about as far as my interest takes me... I've also learned that life on the bleeding edge of technology can be quite painful (in more than just financial ways...).

Random thoughts inspired by yesterday's PCMag Tip of the Day:
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1962371,00.asp

Now if only vendors would stop installing useless bloatware on their machine's... :P

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...they must have midgets as the target audience as I cant really fit in to them so well. I rememeber when I was buying my first car they guy at one car lot was pimping this VW but when I tried to sit in the drivers seat my one leg was jammed up against the dash and my other one was actually squeezed up against the steering wheel.

I had an almost identical experience... but the salesman urged me to squeeze my 6'3" frame into an Eagle Talon (a small sporty car...). Afterwards I suspected that is was a sales technique, in order to make the next car he showed me look that much better (it worked... I bought car #2, a mid-size sedan).

Hey, My name is Daniel Anthony Toner , im irish , live in ireland , born in ireland :), umm i guess ive been gaming for about 6 years im currently 15 years old now ^^

Sharkull wrote:

I'm kind of envious of the money saved by people who build their own computers from parts, but it's just not my thing...

egad, I can barely make a decision at the store about buying a computer, I would not have the confidence to build one myself. BTW, I don't think there is any one topic, except chatting. :P

sjr wrote:
...they must have midgets as the target audience as I cant really fit in to them so well.

Sharkull wrote:
I had an almost identical experience... but the salesman urged me to squeeze my 6'3" frame into an Eagle Talon (a small sporty car...). Afterwards I suspected that is was a sales technique, in order to make the next car he showed me look that much better (it worked... I bought car #2, a mid-size sedan).

Try being fiive foot 2 and trying to climb up into one of those suvs or trucks! Smile
Different strokes for different folks, eh? Laughing out loud

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