Dungeon Siege Adepts 2 for Broken World

That fixes the male Utraeans Iryan, I have arrived at the Traders Camp where Najj's friends are. I discovered that four of the six Half Giants have the small head problem. I tried all revisions of the Logic file and it appears that the small heads have been there a while. The half giants that need their heads inflated are Black Smith Acha, Wym, Healer Tass and Guard Cag. I will continue on to see what else I can find.

Since you have completed the Legends of Aranna map using standard characters you may wish to test it with the adepts mod. The install is super simple because there is an installer. and we could use the help debugging it.

I've been tinkering around with the notion of adding party banters to the DS1 maps as per DS2 and Broken World.



A worthwhile addition? I believe it would add ambience to the party dynamics and also allow subtle hints and commentary to be given to the player from their party members, hopefully fleshing out the maps more. All of these banters will be random from whatever party members are currently in the party from those recruited from that particular map (these pics are from Kingdom of Ehb). So if you play the maps with characters from DS2 or Broken World they will be silent and have nothing to say (just too much work to add banters from every possible party member from the DS1 MapPacks, DS2 and Broken World).

I always liked the vocalization from the LOA party members and loved the chatter from games such as Unreal Tournament - it helps makes the world come alive more.

Yes, I agree Iryan that would be a nice, just so long as they do not start talking just as a battle is starting as they do in DS2 and they said something of value about the particular map area or quest. I would say go for it as a quiet map is really no fun at all.

lol for me i prefer less annoying yakking and more fighting. my conversation in-game sez it all.

so like what bare elf said, careful thought has to be put into where the party banter convos are located. they shud preferably be placed in areas where there is an absentia of hostile creatures lest the lolly-gagging be seen as an omen to the death of intensity and rhythm.

Hi Iryan

Actually I believe another feature of DS2 is to blame here, the tuning system. You can never be certain where the engine will plonk down monsters, even though map makers have access to a gizmo called cube_disablers that is suppose to stop monster spawning in their vicinity. That feature doesn't exist in the DS1 maps (though I did try to implement it but it takes a ridiculously long time to set up).

Anyhow another one of Volkon's (Phoenix) mods has been included in DS2BW Adepts to solve the issue of conversations being interrupted mid sentence and it works quite well though is funny to see the party carrying on a conversation while simultaneously fighting monsters.

So yes such a feature would be sparingly used and certainly never near where the party could encounter monsters and would have something relevant to say about the state of the game.

Missing in Action indeed. Not only Ohna but about 8 or 9 others as well due to me forgetting to add specializations in their templates!

If you redownload Beta 1c again hopefully they'll now appear as expected.
http://www.siegetheday.org/~iryan/files/DS2BW_Adepts_Logic_Beta_1c.ds2res

Several npcs in Illicor should also now be there as well as Umberteen's wife.

Hi Iryan,
The last update fixed the missing characters. I turned the shadow jumper into dust at least for a while.
There where no additional problems with LoA Map playing with Adepts. So I plan to have a few beers talk to the people in the disco and wait to hear from you as to which map I should test next. I know you have been working on the Kingdom of Ehb along with fixing the items I have found in Legends of Aranna. So point me in the next direction good sir.

Correspondingly there'll probably be a few npc bugs in the Utraean Peninsula as it's so much bigger and has a lot more towns and correspondingly more npcs than the other maps.

Sadly playing the maps is a lot quicker than editing them and even quicker than editing them and testing them at the same time which I'm doing.

Think I will test the Utraean Peninsula next. Yesterhaven was okay two weeks ago and I have not been to the Peninsula in a while anyway with the bigger size and all the people there might be more to test

Arisu and Sock Puppet (my primary character) have made it to the Ancient Crypt on the quest for the Elddim Town Stone. I was wondering if I might have missed an additional Hireable NPC or am I thinking about Legends of Utrae 3.2 along with DSLoA Cat Mansion Adepts? I am sure that is it! Anyway so far no problems with people or quests. As far as I can tell from the quest log I have not missed any quests.

Just finished clearing Hovart's folly and after a refit in Elddim we where off to the mines. When I discovered and few phantom walls at one point I believe they were fences. I have noted the location in the image that follows.

However I have seen weird graphical oddities on the Path to the Mines though not those phantom walls. For a long time parts of the adjoining region would superimpose itself on the path. It was a problem with fades I think and eventually seem to fix itself with one build and never reappeared. That wall comes from Hovart Folly and would seem to be a nodes fades not working properly. I'll try playing through that area and see if I can replicate the problem.

The non existent Haku Drummers are a mystery.

Found this is Crystwind

Tried to vary their appearance as well as they look like twins.

I've a bit of a nerve suggesting this for what is a big enough project anyway (the DS2 port of DS1), but are you doing what GPG failed to do and giving the rare-purple items of possible-yellow-uniqueness their own textures with the right colors and decorations to match their inventory icons?

Not quite sure what you mean but the converted items use the original icons that came with DS1. For the few cases that icons didn't exist new ones were made. Some items don't have matching icons, for example some of the robes, so I had to use the closest match available.

If there's any obvious mismatches that you discover, post the pictures and I'll see what I can do. It takes a bit of work to make brand new icons but if players take the time to help out with beta testing the mod, then I can make the time.

I have made it to Fallraen in the testing of the Utraean Peninsula map with Adepts. Things between Crystwind and Fallraen all worked as expected. I assume that there is one hireable NPC in town and no secondary quests. I have discovered a few oddities in the inventory items in stores and the tower elevators in Fallraen are not functioning correctly. You can go up but you can not go back down. If you walk onto the platform and then click the lever you run back into the tower and the elevator goes down. If you click on the lever without being on the platform you will run onto the platform and then back off. The only solution is to restart if you remembered to make a save after entering town. I will post a picture of the inventory sizing issue I found in my next post and hopefully where the problem is. I think it is in the Adepts Logic because I saw it before the updates you sent me today.

The problem with some of the inventory items is limited to some of the reagents icons being sized wrong. The effected reagents are Gold Ribbon, Koven Fetish and Igneous Rune. The file that has the problem is in Adepts and has been there since the first beta.
The file that needed fixing was RGT_Reagents.gas.

Here is an image of what the problem looked like

Here is the corrected gas file

http://siegetheday.org/~bare_elf/adepts2/rgt_reagents.gas (text copy)
http://siegetheday.org/~bare_elf/adepts2/rgt_reagents.zip (the gas file zipped)

I have edited my copy of Adepts Logic Beta so all is well even if I can not fix the Fallraen Elevators

Sorry, I thought you might have come across the problem I mean in the old days, playing DS1 before modding it. An easy way to see it is to compare icons and "skins" (textures) from http://www.planetdungeonsiege.com/dungeoneers/tutorials/reference_info.shtml

Looking at the body armors, there are matched pairs of skins and icons (not all of them enabled for the Ehb map). There are skins (for NPCs) with no icons. But there are also icons with no skins. To take just two examples I've come across in-game

1) b_gui_ig_i_a_pos_a2_033 is the icon for b_c_pos_a2_033, the version of Thin Chain with the snake wrapped round. b_gui_ig_i_a_pos_a2_064 is the same but with larger studs and some red ribbon; it is for the bd_ra_ch_m_g_c_fin version of Solar Chain, but there is no matching skin, so b_c_pos_a2_033 is used again, and the armor as worn (or lying on the ground) does not have the extra decoration shown in the inventory view.

2) icon b_gui_ig_i_a_pos_a7_072 (df53 version of Blood Coat) - which is blue - is paired with skin b_c_pos_a7_025 (also used for df48 Coat), which is brown!

It looks to me as if GPG ran out of time to fully realise their ambitions. The problem icons are easy to spot, as they are at the ends of their respective sections.

I'm sure there are similar anomalies with helmets, and haven't really looked yet at gloves, boots or shields.

RSimpkinuk57
There are quite a large number of items that where never used in both DS1 and DSLoA...There are whole sections of the maps that where never implemented. There is armor, weapons, character types, that where never used. Mods like DSLoA Revived, Cat Mansion Adepts (the ds1 version) and legends of Utrae take advantage of this by unlocking many of the items and areas. It is also true in DS2 and Broken World as we where able to add an additional town to DS2 in our DS2BW adepts mod. With additional characters, quests, and so on without breaking the game. A large number of the unused items from DS1 and LoA have been used in our adepts mod. So as it says in the Deteriorata by National Lampoon:
"Take heart in the deepening gloom that your dog is finally getting enough cheese. And reflect that whatever misfortune may be your lot, it could only be worse in Milwaukee." Hope your not in Milwaukee

Shadow Watcher

RSimpkinuk57 ;I know what you mean now and am fully aware of the situation.

As Shadow Watcher states it was probably because GPG run out of time, their ambition got the better of them (a common problem with both developers and modders).

What GPG did in DS1 was to have variations of each template have it's own inventory icon, even if the texture on the item in-game was the same. For example the Full Blade Sword has 4 variations, base, c_fin, o_avg and o_fin. Each variation has a different inventory icon but 3 of the 4 variations have exactly the same model and texture.

In DS2 GPG simply has the same inventory icon for each variation of the item plus a different inventory icon for unique versions of the item which always has a different model or texture. For example the Long Sword has 5 variations ranging from level 17 to 75. These variations drop through the pcontent system as normal & rare items. The unique version of the Long Sword is the Mourneblade and it always has the same magical enchantments no matter how many you may collect.

In selecting in DS2BW Adepts what items to port over, I looked through the various items and selected what I thought was the best and most interesting of them. Then I looked for the corresponding inventory icon. Most match well but a few armors, etc, don't.

Most DS1 items in Adepts generally have only a single variation because there's so many of them. However they're generally a lot more powerful than the DS2 equivalents. Third party items do have more variations and drop a lot more frequently over a larger level range because of respect paid to their creators (Theresnothinglf, Omniscient Colossus, Iarus, etc) for the amount of work put into their creation. Most of these were made for DS1 and this would probably be the first time they've appeared in DS2.

Strange about the Fallraen elevators. This is the first report on that. I'll check it out as soon as I'm able.

Update: Iryan, The elevator problem only occurs when party is in mirror mode and does not occur in rampage mode. Might this occur because the size of the elevator platform is smaller than most other elevators in the map?