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Hotfix Mod / Aranna Legacy Mod

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I hope nobody has something against when i'm opening here a thread about the Hotfix Mod resp. Aranna Legacy Mod, but GPG's garage forum has lost all reliability and clearness due the flood of spam there. Sad

So this is more a thread to catch 'fugitives' than to start a new modding offensive. Actually I rather would say it's over, however smaller bugs/lacks probably still will be fixed.

 


Hotfix Mod, Beta 5f (18.5MB, for DS2 v2.2 only, ReadMe)

Aranna Legacy Mod, Alpha 3r (19.3MB, for DS2 v2.3/BW, ReadMe)


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Lady Femme wrote:however,

Lady Femme wrote:
however, with all that, i must warn that a few of you are expecting unrealistic frame rates from this game. u are expecting a minimum frame rate of 60fps all the time which is an unrealistic expectation for any game... even if u put the cpu under water cooling at 4.5ghz, u are unlikely to sustain 60fps all the time. around 30-40fps is already very good for this game. i remember one of the gpg devs saying before that this game engine is never meant to run at high frame rates.

You must be really joking. On a typical modern PC worth about 1000$, you'll get 70-80 fps of games like World of Tanks CONSTANTLY. We're talking about extremely old game here, developed for hardware significantly weaker than modern smartphones even, reaching 60 fps shouldn't take more than a few percent of graphics card and less than fifty from a single core. Either your PC is very old, or you didn't really noticed how powerful modern machines are.

Which leads me back to a simple conclusion that the game's code is simply terrible and refuses to work with new machines, something that was extremely common for 1997 games when you tried to make them work on windows XP and such, but by all means is a sad joke for a 2005 game developed by Microsoft and GPG, no less.

It's easily the only game that makes any sort of performance problems on a modern machine that I can think about. With FPS limit off, it should easily get to 300-400 fps simply because of how old it is. That kind of graphic shpuld be a breeze even for 5 year old graphic cards and simpliest processors.

ds2 hates hyper threading

another thing i noticed is that ds2 doesnt like running with hyper threading enabled. disabling hyper threading in the bios squeezes out a few more fps and disabling vsync in the ini file can help quite a bit too.

also, ds2 seems to favour pure ghz on both the cpu and ram. so at least a 3 ghz cpu is recommended.

also a correction: i think an amd athlon 64 x2 3800+ runs at 2ghz NOT 2.4ghz as stated by marco. please check this list of cpus here.

as u can see there are many revisions of the athlon 64 x2 3800+ but all of them run at 2ghz. i think u have confused the single core version (which runs at 2.4ghz) with the dual core one.

also, for the recent cpus using ddr3 ram, the ram shud be at least 1.6ghz or faster if u use the standard normal value ram. if u use gaming grade low latency ram like voty, then u can get away with running it at 1333mhz.

however, with all that, i must warn that a few of you are expecting unrealistic frame rates from this game. u are expecting a minimum frame rate of 60fps all the time which is an unrealistic expectation for any game... even if u put the cpu under water cooling at 4.5ghz, u are unlikely to sustain 60fps all the time. around 30-40fps is already very good for this game. i remember one of the gpg devs saying before that this game engine is never meant to run at high frame rates.

dragonxsiege, i suggest u try disabling vsync with the vsync=false parameter in the ini file. the nvidia drivers by default seem to enable vsync for bw which is bad for the frame rates. i believe bare elf and darkelf do not have the same problem with their nvidia cards because i know they have vsync disabled.

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As I said, my graphic card

As I said, my graphic card is sleeping, and barely wake up with max antialiasing, anisotropic filtering etc... These setting doesn't impact at all on the performance.
Problem is like you said, the CPU cores. Running with one core only raise my FPS to 40!


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Multi-care CPUs

DragonxSiege wrote:
as far as i know, this DS2 game only need a single core processor and "game developer" didn't make a good architecture game engine for multi-core procesor, and that explain why an average modern multicore processor with low clock speed (like i3 2330M @2.20Ghz) suffering the most when playing this game, because 2.20Ghz/4 core = 0.55 Ghz . . .
Hm, let me rethink a moment, doesn't have a quad-core CPU labelled with 2200MHz have 4 cores, each running at 2200MHz!? So I've thought an AMD 3800X X2 has two cores, each of them running at ~2400MHz.

 

Marco wrote:
My old computer was an AMD x64 3800+ Dual Core, @ 2.40Ghz per core, 2,5 Gb, Nvidia GeForce 210 GTX, running with Win XP at the beginning and Win7 after some years. With either OS, my frame rate was a completely disaster in a medium scale battle (5 team members Vs 3-4 enemies). And during the winter the CPU temperature was always low, so no heat problem.

With my new PC, an Intel Core i3 2330M dual core with hyper-threading (so 4 virtual cores), @2.20Ghz, 4 Gb, GeForce GT 635M, I can just play it with 20 Fps, but drop to 12-15 in the bigger battles.
. . .

Some people posted that the game would actually run better if you force it to use one CPU core only, and perhaps you should try this once as well.
I can't exactly say how this works on your Windows version, however there are also freeware tools to help you here.
Generally you also may check/lower the graphic settings, eg. 2x Anti-Aliasing instead of 4x or deactivating anisotrop filtering at all.
 

jk

or you can buy old single core system Twisted evil


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reply to marco, bare_elf, and voty

as far as i know, this DS2 game only need a single core processor and "game developer" didn't make a good architecture game engine for multi-core procesor, and that explain why an average modern multicore processor with low clock speed (like i3 2330M @2.20Ghz) suffering the most when playing this game, because 2.20Ghz/4 core = 0.55 Ghz

and thats why bare_elf with her AMD Sempron 3000+ 1.9GHz (single core) had a better fps..

and know voty said that his (Phenom II x6 1045t OC to 3,2Ghz"), had a stable 60 fps..
theoritically, 3.2Ghz/6 core = 0.53Ghz

i'm skeptical now,, because i'm not an expert Happy
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but, voty has a HD 7870 2GB, and that absolutely overkill DS2

conclusion :
IMHO you need a high-end system to play this game pure 60fps with max setting + enhanced visual quality (on graphic card) for the best maximum enjoyment...

my spec

Im running right now on Phenom II x6 1045t OC to 3,2Ghz,HD 7870 2GB Windforce,8GB Crucial Ballistix 1333Mhz,Windows 7 64bit and stable 60fps.
I guess my setup is compatible with game engine.
Try to disable Aero,Run game as Administrator,Add some startup parameters (nospacecheck maybe ? )
Or you can try to play game in virtual Windows XP (Some guy from GPG recommended me this one but im not sure)


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My old computer was an AMD

My old computer was an AMD x64 3800+ Dual Core, @ 2.40Ghz per core, 2,5 Gb, Nvidia GeForce 210 GTX, running with Win XP at the beginning and Win7 after some years.
With either OS, my frame rate was a completely disaster in a medium scale battle (5 team members Vs 3-4 enemies).
And during the winter the CPU temperature was always low, so no heat problem.

With my new PC, an Intel Core i3 2330M dual core with hyper-threading (so 4 virtual cores), @2.20Ghz, 4 Gb, GeForce GT 635M, I can just play it with 20 Fps, but drop to 12-15 in the bigger battles.

I'm not an expert, but I guess that more power won't make any noticeable difference, if something bad has been made in the game engine.

If you say your PC doesn't suffer these problems, I don't have any possible answer. Maybe it's the OS, maybe it's your specific hardware configuration which somehow is extremely compatible with DS...


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quite true Marco

Marco wrote:
Low FPS problem is not always caused by graphic. It could be caused by a CPU overload. Or even a heat problem. In the past, the game gave me the same problem.

With a performance monitor, I saw my NVidia was literally sleeping, while the CPU usage was at 99-100% and the temperature was just below the max limits. Then I noticed the game was fast at the beginning, just after loading the game.
I did some tests and I discovered a little (barely noticeable) slowdown after the natural mage cast the first buff, and a bigger slowdown when she cast the second buff. After the third buff (a third one is possible thanks to a setting coming with Aranna Legacy), the FPS dropped below 15. Can't immagine with 4 buffs...
So, for some reason, applying too much buffs on the party caused an huge slowdown on my game.
Don't know if the problem is a bad handling of the buffs by the game, but for me, avoid too much buffs solved the problem.

PS (Yes, increase the buffs limit to 4 is possible...)


Hi Marco
You are correct in that Dungeon Siege of all types can become CPU intensive, however I find it hard to believe that a system running a Pentium(R) Dual-Core CPU E5400 @2.70Ghz and - 2GB ram would have frame rate issues when my old computer does not appear to. I mean my processor is single core and half the speed and I have 1/4 the ram. I am also running quite a few more mods than most people would find sane.

Elf


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Low FPS problem is not

Low FPS problem is not always caused by graphic. It could be caused by a CPU overload. Or even a heat problem.
In the past, the game gave me the same problem.

With a performance monitor, I saw my NVidia was literally sleeping, while the CPU usage was at 99-100% and the temperature was just below the max limits. Then I noticed the game was fast at the beginning, just after loading the game.
I did some tests and I discovered a little (barely noticeable) slowdown after the natural mage cast the first buff, and a bigger slowdown when she cast the second buff. After the third buff (a third one is possible thanks to a setting coming with Aranna Legacy), the FPS dropped below 15. Can't immagine with 4 buffs...
So, for some reason, applying too much buffs on the party caused an huge slowdown on my game.
Don't know if the problem is a bad handling of the buffs by the game, but for me, avoid too much buffs solved the problem.

PS (Yes, increase the buffs limit to 4 is possible...)


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DragonxSiege the FPS

Hi,
One of the systems I test mods on is configured as follows (I use this old system to verify that mods work on the older systems.
Windows XP Professional Service Pack 3
AMD Sempron 3000+ 1.9GHz
512 MB Ram
Nvidia GeForce FX 5200
The drivers for all of my perferials are current
The only problem I have ever encountered is Windows telling me "stupid elf you need more memory".I have never encountered an issue with the games, breaking up, skipping, freezing or other things associated with the video. When I measure the fps using the program Fraps I average right around 44 frames per second, no matter what I am doing. So I am at a lose as to why you are having an issue with FPS unless it is like DarkElf noted that you do not have a current driver for your video card.

.Elf


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2GB ram?

2GB ram? and xp interesting sounds like that may be the problem, I use a gt430 and broken world runs fine for me on a dual core. also make sure your video card drivers are up to date.


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It could be that your video card needs to be added.

DragonxSiege wrote:
the FPS is still the same after doing a new fresh installation.. (no mod installed) 20-45 FPS for BW (2.30), and maybe 45-60 FPS for v2.20 (with the same setting)..

with the same video/graphic setting :
in v2.20, fps is always 60 (no frame drop), when fighting monster inside cave/dungeon,
but
in BW(2.30), the fps is still 20-45, no matter where the fighting is,,
I DONT KNOW WHY..????

looks like that this game is really need a high-end PC (processor),
i dont want to play this game now, because playing DS2 not in 60 fps is wrong...
MAYBE will start playing again after buying a new PC.. T_T

if you curious, this is my system spec:
- Pentium(R) Dual-Core CPU E5400 @2.70Ghz
- 2GB ram
- nvidia geforce gt 440
- win XP sp3

"there is no fps improvement playing in 1360x768 or 1024x768"
DS2 readme file is a lie, it says 1.0 ghz or equivalent processor is needed, but the truth is even my dual core cpu can't handle it properly, does it need i5 or i7 maybe...

thanks for reply bare_elf Smiling


Your system if far better than the one I use to play Broken World on. Remember that the Dungeon Siege Games where released before the video card you are using was created so it may not be included in the system detail gas file. I would suggest you search the site here as both KillerGremal and Lady Femme talk about the frame rate problem and if I recall correctly they both explain how to update things for your video card.

Elf


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reply to bare_elf

the FPS is still the same after doing a new fresh installation.. (no mod installed)
20-45 FPS for BW (2.30), and maybe 45-60 FPS for v2.20 (with the same setting)..

with the same video/graphic setting :
in v2.20, fps is always 60 (no frame drop), when fighting monster inside cave/dungeon,
but
in BW(2.30), the fps is still 20-45, no matter where the fighting is,,
I DONT KNOW WHY..????

looks like that this game is really need a high-end PC (processor),
i dont want to play this game now, because playing DS2 not in 60 fps is wrong...
MAYBE will start playing again after buying a new PC.. T_T

if you curious, this is my system spec:
- Pentium(R) Dual-Core CPU E5400 @2.70Ghz
- 2GB ram
- nvidia geforce gt 440
- win XP sp3

"there is no fps improvement playing in 1360x768 or 1024x768"
DS2 readme file is a lie, it says 1.0 ghz or equivalent processor is needed, but the truth is even my dual core cpu can't handle it properly, does it need i5 or i7 maybe...

thanks for reply bare_elf Smiling

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Broken World should be version 2.3

DragonxSiege when broken world starts does it say the version is 2.3? -- Does broken world lag when you have no mods installed? Remember that mods installed in the DS2 resources folder are read and used when You start or play a game in broken world. It is possible that some mod in the DS2 resources folder is causing a conflict and slowing things down. KillerGremal noted that HotFix and Aranna Legacy have a conflict. So This is what I would do to discover why Broken World is lagging more than DS2.

1. Disable all mods in both the DS2 resources folder and broken world resources folder. You can turn off a mod by renaming the file extention from DS2RES to DS2RES.OFF or anything else so that the game engine can not see it. You can also make a folder within both resouces folders called something like "not active" "mods" and move the mods there so you can do a bit of testing.
2. Start broken world with NO mods and look at the speed. If speed problem is fixed add back into your broken world resources folder just Aranna Legacy and do nothing with the DS2 resources folder. If the speed problem remains Let us know.
3. If speed issue is cured with just aranna legacy installed add back in your other mods ONE AT A TIME and do the same test and let us know the result.

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few question about DS2

i love this hot fix mod.. as long as it "FIX something", without doubt i will love it.. XD

i'm a super noob on dungeon siege 2.. staring to play this good game since 2 week ago.. and have a few question, hope someone here mind to answer.. Smiling

1.
why there is two mod (Hotfix Mod and Aranna Legacy Mod), what is the real purpose for making 2 mod,,
well..sound like my question is weird,, im playing hot fix mod beta 5d, and i think its lack of feature compared to Arana Legacy Mod such as (cannot remove buff via right clicking on buff icon, cannot cast "wrath of the bear" if there is "life embrace" and "rending aura" casted before, and etc)
actually this is not my real question .. Happy

2.
is there anyone here know why Broken World is so Laggy (running Slow) compared to original (v2.20),
i really want to use Aranna Legacy mod, but broken world it self lag like hell..
when playing v2.20 fps is around 50-60 on max setting + enchanced quality on graphic card,,
but 15-47 fps when playing BW no matter how low the setting is, whats wrong with this expansion thing.. is there something i miss ? is there any way / mod to FIX this ?, considering my PC is good enough to play such this old game..

caused by that laggy thing, i dont bother with BW, and the only choice i have is to play original(v2.20) + HOT FIX MOD beta 5d that lack of feature compared to arana legacy mod..

3.
what mod shall i use that best combined with HOT FIX MOD beta 5d..??

thanks in advance.. Smiling

Aranna Legacy/Allsaves

Thanks for working on this, and great job so far. Smiling

I just had a question or two. I'm playing with a friend that I can only play through gameranger on, cause tunngle hates ds2. Gameranger is super spazzy about using the exact .exe in the exact directory for a game, so I can't force it to load allsaves. Everytime you update this mod, I'm going to have to make a new character, or figure some way around that. Is there a way around that? I was hoping the characters were tagged with a version related to the resource file, so I renamed the resource file hoping it'd allow me to load characters from the same mod. No go on that. File locations don't vary, so there must be a tag I can alter somewhere...

Also, I've noticed that while hosting (with just Aranna Legacy, since I can't use the allsaves through gameranger), the host (betweem myself and my friend, we've both tried hosting and have both come up with the issue) experiences an 'exception detected' error and a good massive memory dump. I haven't tried 3p, but 3o was giving me this issue. It might be directly related to gameranger, but thought i'd post on here before giving it up as a lost cause. I really want to use your mod, it has a lot of great features. Any assistance would be appreciated. Smiling Thanks!

Svar.

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Links are ok now

Thanks, the way the links need to be updated is a bit vulnerable, and I was quite tired yesterday evening.
So I just checked the Hotfix mod and went to bed... Shocked

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Hey Killer

It appears that the link on your site Dungeon Siege II Outpost still shows the previous version of the mod. The code for the link here is correct as far as I can tell.
Elf


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aranna mod

thank you very much. it worked.

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typo

If you click at the link and look at your address bar, you'll see the address for the previous "3o" version:
homepage.hispeed... ...Alpha3o.ds2res

To download the mod, just change the o to p:
homepage.hispeed.ch/audio/box/Mod-BrokenWorld-ArannaLegacy-Alpha3p.ds2res


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the new update

KillerGremal wrote:
Tere's an update for the Hotfix and Aranna Legacy mod

Where can i download Aranna mod from? All other links i tried i got an "404 not found"

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Beta 5d / Apha 3p

Tere's an update for the Hotfix and Aranna Legacy mod:

Updates:

  1. Healing spells related fix for revised auto-cast AI.
  2. Because of a mod compatibility issue the Dark Mages caused almost no more damage. This is basically fixed again, but if you also should update the Level Adjustement mod if you recently have downloaded it.
  3. Safety fix for 'Letiso' (quest monster) who could die without completing the quest task.
  4. Resurrection effect re-enabled.
  5. Uhn Miners revised (-1 level if melee, lower/AoE damage for flame-throwers).
  6. Difficulty presets for veteran and elite modes rebalanced.
  7. Addon/v2.3 only: Tuning for hirable NPC Nora, in particular to drop correctly the reward for the Nexus quest.

 

Special thank to Raygereio for the feedbacks! Smiling
 

Nora

KillerGremal wrote:
Strange, with me she drops the reward...
That is indeed odd. I could test it clearly on my end: with the Aranna Legacy mod I got no reward when turning in the quest. When I removed it, I got a reward.

If it helps:
I'm using Aranna Legacy 3o. I'm also using your Warhound mod (Beta 10o), ring removal and a bigger inventory mod.

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It will always go on

Raygereio wrote:
Nora does not drop any reward after completing the Kalrathian Nexus quest. The soul staff is taken away from my inventory, but no soul staff of the nexus is dropped. ...
Strange, with me she drops the reward... Puzzled

 

Raygereio wrote:
... I also had an issue during the Act 3 Dark Wizards fight. I couldn't test if the Aranna Legacy mod caused it because my save decided not to load without it, but the Dark Wizards' attacks did no damage.
That's not good of course Sad, nonetheless thanks for the feedback. Smiling
 

Nora / Dark Wizards

Nora does not drop any reward after completing the Kalrathian Nexus quest. The soul staff is taken away from my inventory, but no soul staff of the nexus is dropped.

I also had an issue during the Act 3 Dark Wizards fight. I couldn't test if the Aranna Legacy mod caused it because my save decided not to load without it, but the Dark Wizards' attacks did no damage.

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Nourish + Resurrection/TP Effect

@Raygereio: Thanks, I will look at it.

Beta 5c / Alpha 3o

Some glitches I've noticed:
The VFX when Haku drummers resurect other Haku doesn't show.
Also the *bomf* VFX when Haku teleport sometimes doesn't appear either .

A mage with the nourish spell in the autocast slot will not cast it on themselves. They'll heal the rest of the party, just not themselves.

Update

Nice ! Downloading Smiling thanks for your hard work


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Beta 5c / Alpha 3o

There's a new version of Hotfix and Aranna Legacy mod:

Updates:

  1. A bug in the AI did sometimes not distinguish correctly alive from dead monsters which could cause serious path-finding matters. This is fixed now.
  2. Critical fix for hiring conversation with Nora.
  3. Minor tunings for powers, in particular the recharging rate is reduced now by 2 while powers without damage are active (perhaps remind, causing power damage natively deactivates the recharging of powers temporarily).
  4. Minor tunings for several spells and buff casting.
  5. The party_rampage_free is available again but it's disabled now by default. If enabled party members can ingore sometimes the visibility range in 'rampage' mode, however it also increases the chance that they won't be able to find a way back.

 

Please create manual backups of your savegame continuously, sometimes the little and unrespected things (like an additional conversation setup) can cause big problems.
The savegame are inside:  My / Dokuments / My Games / Dungeon Siege 2 / Save
Also the max_save_backups option could help here.